MorSisi Coup in Egypt, plan to bring back old regime: Mohamed Ghanem

Press TV: It is a real tragedy what is unfolding in Egypt. The army’s approach, it has reinforced the possibility of a civil war in that country. Are we looking at a civil war, will it turn into another Syria – some are saying.

Ghanem: Actually what has happened today is a massacre, is a bloody massacre, utterly bloody massacre has been committed by the general and the leader of the police against the Egyptian people. The Egyptian people have paid their money to support the army and the police in order to protect them. But on the other side, they abuse their power and they attack the people; they killed their own people.

I think the idea of this coup is not a simple coup; this has been planned to [get] revenge from the revolution of the January 25, [2011]. When the people revolted against the old regime and the revolution was strong enough for anybody to oppose it or to stand. They kept quiet until sometime they gathered together their power again and tried to make like an Ikhwan and enmity between the Ikhwan and the rest of the people, as they always do, they make indifference and problems between the Christians and Muslims.

And now it is very clear, that coup is a bloody coup, the aim is to control the Egyptian people to bring back the old regime as it was to suppress people, to control the wealth, to have monopoly over the Egyptian people and this is what is not going to happen. What we see today, although the killing; the number is past 2000-plus, but the Egyptian people will never rest until they get rid of this army and police-power and bring back legitimacy and democracy. This is what the Egyptian people aim to.

Press TV: By the way, those numbers right now, there is a conflict in terms of the contradictions coming up; it is anywhere from 100 up to 300 up to the number that you mentioned, 2,200…

On the little bit that Moustafa Reda said there, he disagrees with you, actually blaming the Muslim Brotherhood for the political instability and of course mentioning how they are agents of Israel in some sense. What is your reaction?

Ghanem: It is absolute rubbish, it is a lie. These excuses has been used by [ousted dictator Hosni] Mubarak and before Mubarak – this is not true.

If there is a lie between the Muslim Brotherhood and the United States they should disagree with this military coup, but now everything is clear and even everybody who supported that coup and this blood massacre, he would share the blame for the blood and Egyptian people would never leave anyone who has shared or has a hand with this massacre and supported that bloody coup until they get free.

The Egyptian people look for legitimacy, they look for democracy and they look for freedom. These rights have been guaranteed to every nation in the world, why deny it for the Egyptian people? Under the name of the Muslim Brotherhood and all that, this is just an excuse. And those people who try to support this coup, the military coup, because they have no way over Egyptian support. That is why they need the army. That is why they have to use power, to use force to kill people because otherwise they would be recognized by the Egyptian people.

But, now today is the start to get rid of that military control, to get rid of that government to bring back legitimacy and democracy to Egypt.

Press TV: Well, you talked about part of that, Mohamed Ghanem, about how this whole coup and what does it mean exercised, as we saw today, as part of this grand plan that is happening. I am wondering, as many I am sure are, how does this interim government, which has been appointed by the army, think that it is actually going to actually lead at some point to bring Egypt out of the chaos and towards a political solution.

I mean really, are they trying to relay the message that if you come out, we are going to kill you or is going to result in deaths, so therefore let’s not resort – and I’m talking about the pro-Morsi protesters – resort to violence or sit-ins so we can move the country forward. Is that what they are thinking?

Ghanem: No, those people they don’t have any aim but to be in power. They discovered there is no other way because they have no base in the Egyptian street, they have no support whatsoever. Then they get with the army and the army has an ambition to lead the country again, like [former Egyptian President Gamal Abdel] Nasser. This [Egyptian Armed Forces Chief General Abdel-Fattah] Sisi, sees himself as a little Nasser and he is stupid.

This dream has blocked his vision and he can’t see that we are in the 21st century and he cannot do what used to be done.

Press TV: You just heard how he described the Muslim Brotherhood; murderers that belong in jail – your reaction.

Ghanem: This man is living in a different world. How he can describe that, it is a complete lie. What we see today, we know who is the murderer and who has been murdered. That is why they tried to focus only on the Muslim Brotherhood.

The Muslim Brotherhood has been with the Egyptian people shoulder to shoulder all over these struggles for the last 80 years and the Egyptian people, when they came to the election they supported them. But those people like your guest there, he has no support whatsoever that is why he uses this lying language against all the truth. But, he is living somewhere else, I don’t know what’s [in] his mind; he lost his conscious, he lost his human value. Today we have a massacre, today we have interfering by the army to lead the country again to military rules. He doesn’t understand anything.

Press TV: We have a viewer saying, “Israel and the USA will benefit from chaos in Egypt.” Do you see it that way?

Ghanem: Well, first tell your guest there, all these excuses have expired; he doesn’t understand what is happening. The instability of Egypt is very important for the external power; whether the Zionist state or the United States or the colonist power in the world. But, those people don’t see because they have blocked their eyes and their heart is being blocked and they keep repeating these excuses.

What is happening now is a large scale conspiracy against the stability of Egypt and creating all this fighting between Egyptians given a new duty for the army and the attitude is to kill its own people instead of protecting the border and fighting the enemy.

No army in the world kills their own people. Their duty is to go and fight the enemy, not to kill their own people. This is exactly the same as the police troops.

Press TV: Egypt’s vice president for external relations, Mohamed ElBaradei, he gave his resignation. I found the statement that one of the reasons he gave [was] very heavy and that is the fact that there was a political solution that would have been possible. He said a more peaceful solution could have been used as an alternative to what the army and its interim government took. I mean what kind of solution would that have been? Why didn’t the army take that? What does this mean, his resignation overall? Quickly if you can.

Ghanem: First, ElBaradei [would] want to wash his hand out of what is happening now and the killing. But, what is going to happen now, there is no such a solution, but to get rid of that coup, get rid of the military rules, bring back democracy. And I would remind your guest there, which he is being occupied by the Egyptian media and he is reversing all of this old story again, that the Egyptian people today have woken up and will never allow that coup to carry on and he will get no sort of democracy and reverse that coup and all those people whom supported that coup and took part of this massacre; the Egyptian people will trial them and there will be justice with them.

When you talk about the rule of God, of course we have, every believer in God would like to the rule of God. But, we are talking about political movement, we have more than Islamic political movement we are talking about the minority right, but for political we accept democracy. But, those hypocrites when they say, “We want democracy,” they work against democracy – what they believe is just a complete lie. And because the Egyptian people do not like them, they don’t support them, they had to get their army to support them and use force to suppress the Egyptian people and that will never happen.